Board might ask voters to reject charter measure
by Megan Thornton
mthornton@cherokeetribune.com
April 18, 2012 12:00 AM | 4122 views | 23 23 comments | 29 29 recommendations | email to a friend | print
CANTON — A resolution urging residents to vote against a constitutional amendment to allow the state to create charter schools without local school board permission is on the board of education’s agenda for Thursday night.

The Cherokee County Board of Education will consider the resolution requesting Georgia voters to vote against a constitutional amendment that will be on the November ballot as a result of the passage of House Bill 1162.

“I think there’s a responsibility for us as a board to take a position on that,” said School Board Chairman Mike Chapman.

Both Chapman and Vice Chairwoman Janet Read said they have received many questions and concerns from constituents about the board’s position on the bill and hope to clarify the board’s stance with the resolution.

Chapman added the resolution will be open for discussion by the board members and the document “may need to be wordsmithed.”

The resolution, which is listed as item B-1 in the meeting agenda on the district’s website, notes “the lack of support for public education by those advocating school vouchers, state-approved charter schools, and other programs that allow public school funds to be redirected to private schools and for-profit charter schools” as reasoning to denounce the measure.

“The Cherokee County Board of Education believes that it should remain unconstitutional for the state to take and redirect local school tax dollars for the aforementioned purposes,” the proposed resolution states, noting the constitutional amendment “threatens the integrity of the existing statewide system of providing for and properly funding quality public education.”

Read said it was important for the board to “have an informed discussion so we can go ahead and take action on this.”

“All of us [board members] are voted on by every voter,” Read said. “We owe it to our constituents and to our 38,000 students to take our stance as a board so that people can make informed decisions. They do look to us as to how it affects their students.”

Also on the agenda:

* CrossRoads Middle/High School will be renamed upon approvals as ACE Academy, with the acronym “ACE” representing Alternative Choices in Education. “We believe ACE Academy better reflects the uniqueness of this excellent program, the opportunities provided to CCSD students … and its potential position within the concepts postulated for the Cherokee Academy Initiative,” said Principal Richard J. Londolt Jr. in a letter to Superintendent Dr. Frank Petruzielo.

* The board will consider revisions to the personnel leaves and absences policy, allowing for personal leave to be requested and granted to employees who are duly elected to a public office.

* The board will consider adjusting the status of Polaris Evening School from that of a school to a program. Much like at Crossroads Middle/High School, this would allow for student academic achievement and graduation data to be reported back to the students’ “home” school (the school the student would be attending if not enrolled in the program). If the change is implemented, Polaris would no longer be treated as a school for College and Career Ready Performance Index purposes.

* School calendars for the next three calendar years will be considered.

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Just Listening
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April 19, 2012
I have a concern with moving educational control away from a local model to a more centralized one at the state level. Whether the intent is there or not the effect is to take away accountability of the charter school from the people who make up the communities which they serve. I can't say whether the individual charter school is good or bad, but I can say that centralized control (state control) is a common approach of those who like to control others when they can't manage to do it locally.
Justin1246
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April 19, 2012
That's not a bad point. However, the good news is with charter schools is if they don't perform well they will be closed and charter schools have to perform well or no one will send their kids there.

If the traditional public schools were helping every child there would be no need for charter schools but even in a county that has a great school system like Cherokee there are still lots of parents that feel their child was not getting the best education. CCA has over 800 students in it's first year. that says a lot.

No Charter School
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April 19, 2012
Justin1246, do you work for the charter school? The spin you have put on every comment is so far off base it is obvious that you have a motivation other than a child in the school system

Do you happen to know what an IAP is? Did you know that by law they have to be written every 12 months by a qualified teacher? The charter school in Cherokee county has not been doing their IAPs. If a child wants to leave the charter school, then the charter school doctors the paperwork, but don't have anyone qualified to actually sit down and formulate an IAP. I was told recently that when a child left the charter school and went back to their public school that the IAP they took to the charter school was copied verbatim. If a child has multiple modifications in their IAP, then the charter school gets rid of the modifications or the student, because they don't do Special Ed.

bigjohn243
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April 18, 2012
If the school board is against it i am all for it the bozos in charge have done no good . I agree we have good personal at the school level but at the county office and includes Dr. P , they need to go . AND ITS MY MONEY IF I SEE THE NEED FOR A CHARTER SCHOOL I WILL VOTE FOR IT . IF YOU DON,T THE VOTE AGAINST IT , thats why its on the ballet . or could be just to make it look like the board is doing something for a change , but its all trickery on there part .
No Charter School
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April 19, 2012
BigJohn243, thats the point, you don't get a say in a charter school with this bill. Only the state will charter the charter school. That will take it right out of your local hands and make it a state political thing.
Justin1246
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April 20, 2012
NCS - This where you are completely wrong. Charter schools are held accountable by parents which much more accountable than any local public school. I could care less if the local school board or local administration over see the school if the parents of a student is holding the charter accountable.

If a charter school is not educating the child then THEY WILL LEAVE. That's more accountability than any teacher or Dr. P. I trust parents to make the right decision and that's more local control than any local school board.

It's obvious you are a teacher that has been brainwashed by your administration.
perspicacity
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April 18, 2012
Every parent deserve a choice in education, that is what the bill provides. An as far as any can be found there was no local parent vote on the creation of a charter school in CCSD. So those that claim that CCSD parents did not want a charter school are false. At this time there are over 800 students enrolled in the charter school in CCSD, and more are waiting to get in. Seem like there is more a want than many will admit.
No Charter School
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April 19, 2012
That is not what this bill provides. It provides the state having control and the locals having none. Do you want the state to tell you what you have to do?
Get Real
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April 18, 2012
Anyone who believes that the charter amendment won't take money from existing schools is an absolute idiot. There is no way it won't. The amendment is a way for private companies and citizens to help themselves to public dollars slated for education and when the feeding frenzy is done, Georgia children will be the ones who have paid the price. Why is it that when someone supports the school district, they are ridiculed? Do the parents of 38,000 children not deserve a voice?
Justin1246
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April 18, 2012
Actually the kids who stay in the traditional public school with be given more $ per student so no, they aren't idiots. It's really not hard to figure out the formula.

Cherokee county school system gets paid per student. They get a state portion and a local portion. If a student decides to go to the charter school all they take with them is the state portion. So actually, the local school system could potentially make more money per student.
No Charter School
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April 19, 2012
Justin, would you like to post the numbers for the students that went to the charter school and transferred back to the public school because the charter school could not teach the special children. The charter school gets to pick and choose who they want to teach. The public school has to teach everyone.

You made the comment about the school is paid by number of students. Well the students that come back to the public school don't bring their money with them half way through the year. The charter school keeps the money for students they couldn't teach.
anonymous
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April 18, 2012
What will a charter school bring to the plate that the public schools in Cherokee County don't already bring? Aren't some of them in the top schools in the country? I think the last few comments are one, maybe two people blowing smoke. Most people I talk to love their schools and what they represent. Sad way to politic fellas.
Justin1246
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April 18, 2012
Cherokee County schools as a whole are some of the best in the state but not every school in the Cherokee County is a great school. What do you want to tell the parents of a kid trapped in a below average school or maybe a certain school just isn't suited for a particular kid? You have to keep going there because of where you live?

A charter school gives students and parents options.
No Charter School
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April 19, 2012
What school in Cherokee county is as you called it "below average? Unless your a teacher, you have no idea what is good for your kid when it comes to education. The charter school does nothing extra for the children that the public school doesn't already do. At the charter school the parents are made to get involved. In the public school parents just bitch about what is not being done. Kinda like your comments.
Justin1246
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April 20, 2012
So if the charter school is no different than the public school how are they making the parents get involved and if it isn't any different then why are you complaining?

Really on the school? 2 years ago their were 9 cherokee county schools that didn't make ayp. As good as the Cherokee County School system is there are schools that are not top notch in the county. All 30 schools are not even close to being high performing.
Justin1246
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April 18, 2012
Either Read is trying to misinform voters or she hasn't a clue what HR 1162 does. It has nothing to do with local dollars. Nice try Janet, did you get your talking points from Dr. P?
No Charter School
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April 18, 2012
Where do you think the money comes from, the tooth fairy? My taxes and your taxes; since I live in Cherokee county, then it is LOCAL MONEY. The charter school in Cherokee county was not wanted by the majority of the citizens, and that is why it was voted down. The selfish few that wanted the charter school cut a deal with the state and took money out of our public school system.
Justin1246
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April 18, 2012
NCS - You haven't a clue. It's not taking money away from the local school system. The traditional public schools with have more money per student with a state charter school in their district because the local share will be divided by a smaller pool of kids.

Just like they would have to lay off teachers if the charter school opened right? DIdn't happen, in fact there are more public school teachers in Cherokee County now than there was before the charter school.

For you to say that the majority of people didn't want it is in no way accurate. Please provide the link to that poll? Just because some of your teacher friends were brainwashed by the school administration into thinking charter schools are evil doesn't mean the majority of the county didn't want it.
Tell the Truth
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April 18, 2012
Both Chapman and Read need to get ready to be replaced on the board. Get real, the citizens of Cherokee are not asking the board to take a position. This is Dr. P directing the board to make a statement. As we all know, the people of Cherokee elect the school board and Dr P tells them what to think, how to vote, regardless of the majority of the constitents' wishes. Some great candidates for school board are preparing to run for office who will listen to the people, be open to school choice, and not be commanded by Dr P. we need to support these candidates and reject this monarchy from continuing. The Constitutiional Amendment is about giving parents the choice of public charter schools when they want them. They know what is best for their children.
Ga'sVoice Ed. Choice
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April 18, 2012
Above stated - “The Cherokee County Board of Education believes that it should remain unconstitutional for the state to take and redirect local school tax dollars for the aforementioned purposes,”

If the bill has been read then this comment is mute. It clearly states in the bill that NO local funds will be taken for any state approved charter schools!

Second Comment - the lack of support for public education by those advocating school vouchers, state-approved charter schools, and other programs that allow public school funds to be redirected to private schools and for-profit charter schools

This is a highly manipulated statement by the board in order to get people angry and mislead the public. There is a HUGE amount of support for school choice advocates. And I ask this question, if the support for school choice is so lacking why address the situation? It seems they are worried that the bill may be passed at election and are planning a defense against this. If you are going to inform the public, do so with the proper facts!

Nick CCA Supporter
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April 18, 2012
This Board's objective is to misinform the people they serve in order to protect their cronyism and their own jobs. Our kids' education and futures are near the bottom of any list of priorities they may have. It's time for change in Cherokee County - Mike Chapman, Janet Read, and Dr. Petruzielo must be removed.
Graduated 3
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April 18, 2012
Oh please. The quality of our public schools here is second to none. I have no dog in this fight. If folks do not know how crooked Chip Rogers is then look at the 1.2 million dollars he just dumped on the taxpayers with his failed business deal. Amazing how the voters do not see how incompetent Rogers, Byrd and Jurgenson are. They are a joke. You have choice now. If you do not like the current school send your child go private school. I graduated 3 from Sequoyah and all 3 have college degrees. Folks have to be brain dead not to know that the current school board has greatly influenced the high quality of public education in Cherokee county for DECADES. Wake up folks. What we have are a few spoiled folks that are used to whining and getting their way. Fight them.
Justin1246
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April 19, 2012
Graduated 3 - so a parents choice that has a child in a school that is not educating them properly or isn't the best fit for him is for them to move or spend a lot of money sending them to private school?

You sound like Mike Chapman. How dare the delegation try to find an alternative option for parents who already pay taxes for their kids to go to school.

How incompetent Rogers is? I guess 36 republican Senators missed it to since he is elected Majority Leader. Chip Rogers has done more for this state and Cherokee County in one week than you have probably done your whole life.

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