Authorities fatally shoot teen in standoff
by Cherokee Tribune staff
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Authorities say Andrew Messina was shot once in the abdomen after threatening to kill his mother at their home in the Eagle Watch subdivision, above. Messina died from his injuries, and the GBI is investigating.<br>Cherokee Tribune/Todd Hull
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TOWNE LAKE — A teenager brandishing a gun was fatally shot by a sheriff’s deputy Tuesday after officers could not talk the 16-year-old into surrendering.

Andrew Messina, an Etowah High School sophomore, was shot once in the abdomen after threatening to kill his mother at their home in the Eagle Watch subdivision, authorities say.

The shooting occurred following an hour of negotiations with officers on the scene, who said they saw the young man pouring alcohol on the curtains in what they believed was an effort to burn the house down. He then brandished a gun, according to Sheriff Roger Garrison.

Garrison, who called the shooting a tragic event, said the teen was armed with a .357 Magnum revolver when deputies tried to negotiate with him.

He also said the young man was taking prescription medication and possibly consuming alcohol at the time of the incident.

“This is the first time we’ve negotiated with someone this young before (and) never with a weapon such as this,” Garrison said. “We’ve been faced with knives before, but never with a loaded weapon and this state of rage.”

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is investigating the shooting, Sheriff’s Office Spokesperson Jay Baker said. The deputy involved with the shooting, whose name was not released, has been placed on routine administrative leave with pay.

GBI Spokesperson John Bankhead said he could not say how long the investigation would take.

Garrison said he believed law enforcement authorities followed protocol throughout the two-hour ordeal.

“Unfortunately, the gentleman dictated what happened,” he said. “We had our best people over there trying to do negotiations, it just didn’t work.”

Garrison said his heart goes out to the family.

“We’re all praying for that family,” he said. “We just want them to know that we’re thinking about them. It’s just a tragic, tragic, turn of events.”

Neighbors on the quiet cul-de-sac street in the Towne Lake neighborhood said they were shocked and surprised by the series of events that led to Messina’s death and questioned whether it could have been avoided.

Mark Prentice, who lives just down the street from the house where the shooting took place, said he spoke with Messina’s father Wednesday morning and that he was “devastated” by the turn of events.

“I’m just appalled,” Prentice said. “I knew the kid, he was a good kid.”

Prentice, who witnessed the event, said he didn’t think Messina’s behavior warranted being shot fatally.

“I think they could have exhausted a lot more options before they did what they did,” Prentice said

The situation began early Tuesday evening when deputies were dispatched in response to a request for help from Messina’s mother around 5:50 p.m. to the home at 921 Laurel Crest Drive.

Garrison said that although it was originally reported the mother was taken hostage by her son, that was not the case.

The mother had already come outside, according to the 911 phone call. The 911 operator directed her to exit the home, which she did before police arrived.

During the call, the operator asked the mother what set her son off.

“What set him off is that his grades aren’t good, I don’t like the friends he’s hanging out with, stuff like that,” the mother said on the 911 call.

When asked by the operator if her son was “out of his mind,” Messina’s mother said “yeah.”

Messina remained inside the residence while negotiators and the SWAT team were called to the scene, where they attempted to communicate by phone and in person with the suspect.

However, Messina refused to communicate that way, Garrison said.

“(Negotiators) could see the door was ajar and he was pouring alcohol on curtains in the home and saying he was about to burn the house down,” Garrison said. “He was trying to get the dog to go outside, which was why the door was open.”

After about an hour of negotiations, Garrison said Messina made an “aggressive move” by breaking through the door’s glass window with the gun in his hand, pointed toward officers who were at that point about 10 feet away.

“When the glass broke and the gun came through the window toward police officers, the sniper fired the shot,” Garrison said. “Clearly, those officers were in jeopardy.”

“Had it not been that, we had no intentions of entering the home,” Garrison said. “We would have stayed there and would still be negotiating today. He dictated what we had to do.”

Based on information that mother provided in the 911 call, Messina was on two separate kinds of medication, Garrison said.

“It was pretty obvious that he was consuming alcohol,” Garrison said. “That combination … contributed to this apparent rage that he was in. In the 911 call, you can hear him screaming … screaming at his mother, screaming at everything.”

The sheriff said no other drugs were discovered in the home.

All police officers are trained to use deadly force whenever anyone’s life is in jeopardy, Garrison said.

“Had he possibly waited a second longer, (the suspect) could have discharged his weapon,” Garrison said. “Bottom line is, it’s just a tragic, tragic sad situation.”

Following the shooting, Messina was transported to WellStar Kennestone Hospital in Marietta where he was later pronounced dead.

A release from the Cherokee County School District said that grief counselors were at the school Wednesday to help students deal with the situation.

In the release, school system spokeswoman Barbara Jacoby said the school district is “deeply saddened” by the loss of the student.
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Politics Really?
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May 07, 2012
I can't believe those supporting the man who is running against the sheriff in the next election would use this tragic incident to make political points. That's pretty low.
Fidel01
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May 04, 2012
They are trained in this sort of situation, what a poorly done job. These trained police thugs provoked andrew like a rat in a cage, instead of letting a kid having a bad day cool down. In less then two hours these trained police thugs murdered a boy. once again they are trained in this high pressured situation instead of securing the house and waiting they walked up provoked,shot and murdered a boy they are trigger happy thugs who all should be held accountable for the murder of Andrew
Josh K
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June 21, 2012
What a bundle of errors and misjudgements by so called professionals! Wow is this the best they can do? Go the front steps? A 16 year old boy dictated what a Whole squad of police a SWAT members did? Really? No heros here! Where was the armoured vehicle that is used in other SWAT situations? how incompetent!!! Garrison should be ashamed of himself. Was he on the scene?
Kiddsplay
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May 04, 2012
Well I guess his Mother wont' have to worry about his grades, nor the friends he chooses.. anymore

Good job Mom, I am a mother of a child, well he's 23 now.. who threatned me with knives, among other weapons, also was medicated, and in special ed since 3 years old. I called the police twice on him, never left my home. I stood up to him, police came, took him reluctlantly and fighting, but contained him at 16, 6'3 and 200 lbs..

I'm so sorry this happened to this child, that my daughter sat next too everyday at school..

My GOD hold you in his arms Andrew....
just a mom
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May 04, 2012
Shame on you kiddsplay. Putting blame on the mom for calling the police. She had no choice. She did not want him to harm himself. I truly do think she knew what could be the end result when the call was made. I delt with a teenage son the same age that was angry and very scarry. Thank god he made it to be an adult. God bless this mom for doing what she had to do.
Nur Knapp
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May 07, 2012
I can't believe you are blaming the mother...well; you don't know anything about her...just shut up!!!!

Obviously you are a great mother and everything if your son is treated you with knives numoreous times..well, these people are not same ok.
N.Knapp
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May 13, 2012
Good job to you for raising a kid who would threating you wth knives...Andrew's parents were very good people, you don't know them so do not make commnet about them..This tragedy happened because of how police dept. handled the situation, nothing else....Andrew was a very nice young guy with wonderful parents..
Towne Lake Mom
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May 04, 2012
A worried mother calls 9-1-1 for help with her troubled son who is enraged and TEMPORARILY out of control due to normal parent / teenage conflict and Cherokee County Police respond by shooting the troubled kid dead in less than an hour. The kid didn't even want to harm his dog! I'm appalled at the CCPD. And you can believe I will never call them should I ever feel a need for help with my teenage son. I'll die myself trying to control the situation before I'll call them.
Realistic Mom
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May 07, 2012
First of all, the police don't dictate a time table. Second, I never nor did any of my friends ever while in our teenage years pull a gun due to normal parent /teenage conflict or for anything for that matter. That is NOT normal behavior for a person of ANY age. Third, who cares if he didn't want to harm his dog. That should tell you that he was lucid enough to know what he was doing was wrong. Fourth, how can you think it was okay for him to behave that way even if you say it was temporary? Would it still be okay if he killed someone because it was a temporary loss of control? Some people never cease to amaze me. I am a mother myself but if my son ever acts like that then the consequences he faces as a result of his actions can be blamed on nobody else but him. Grow up people. We live in a world where children can be just as dangerous as adults. 16 years old is old enough to know better. Police officers are here to protect everyone. Even the ungrateful people who don't deserve it.
Towne Lake Dad
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May 07, 2012
I agree with Towne Lake Mom. This was a troubled teen that had no one in the house to harm but himself. Good job Garrison, your blood thirsty boys shot a kid, you must be very proud.

Shsgrad77
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May 03, 2012
Pretty much put it this way, if you threaten to kill people and then point a loaded gun at a cop; you're getting shot. It is in no way the cops fault that the kid died, he determined his own outcome once he pointed a loaded gun at police. Would everyone feel better if there was one dead cop and then a dead kid. That could've easily been the case if the situation was let go any longer. The kid put himself in that situation, he made the choice that eventually ended his life not the cops. They did what they were trained to do!!
Henry Rowelengardner
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May 03, 2012
There was no need for his death. there could have been another way. And for the cops wondering if he fired the gun or broke the glass, come on guys, there's a distinct sound between the two. You would hear a .357 in the neighborhood. Are you all blind? Even so you can still check the gun, if there's a bullet missing i think that narrows it down don't ya think? I think the cops weren't following standard procedure or maybe they jumped the gun and accidently shot. Whatever the case is it's still sickening. Everytime i think about him i get a deep pit feeling in my stomach knowing i will never see him again. I just wish it could have turned out differently.
Lisa Smallwood
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May 04, 2012
I completely agree. They couldn't tell that a gun had been fired or just the glass breaking? What kind of officers don't know the sound of a gun? My son was a good friend of Andrew's and he said that he was a good guy and that he would do anything for anyone. Andrew needed help. He didn't need to die.
shocked @ neighbors
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May 07, 2012
really... and what if that had been you standing there trying to talk him down? would you have wanted that sniper to have waited just one more second? would you have wanted that officer to have told them to hold off, clearly this demented 16yr old holding a loaded i reapeat a LOADED weapon pouring alcohol on curtain screaming he is going to kill his mother, he won't kill you... so sad that people are forgetting such simple facts! these officers did what they were clearly trained to do!
Towne Lake Teen
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May 03, 2012
Thank you. You put my thoughts into words very well. The only point at which I disagree with you, is when you describe it as a hostage situation.

His mother was safely out of the home. It was just Andrew and his dog. Mrs. Messina called 911 to request help in calming down her son, whom she worried was going to harm himself. On the 911 call she didn't seem fearful of her own life, she just didn't want him to hurt himself. It's a tragic situation, and I don't think any lesson is as important as realizing that a 16-going-on-17 year old boy has died. If you have a chance to listen to the 911 call, you'll hear Mrs. Messina say, "he doesn't have his license YET." Andrew was still just a kid. He had his whole lifetime ahead of him. Mrs. Messina was hoping for a simple talk-down, so they could resume every day life. Words cannot describe the tragic turn of events.

My prayers go out to the Messinas, and to the police department. Neither of them wanted their evenings to turn out the way they did, and I would never want to be in their shoes. I'm keeping you all in my prayers.
Craig Ridley
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May 03, 2012
Typical Roger Garrison and his gestap officers...my first thoughts..

1. So what if he burns tries to burn the house down..there was a fire truck there. For the police to say they were concerned for the safety of the neighbors is a cop out. ALL of the people on the block were evacuated and not let back into the cul de sac.

2. Why not tear gas?

3. Why not a tranquilzer gun..heck if we can do that to an elephant why not a human being.

4 Why wasn't the doctor or psychologist called to the seen.

5. Why did they not wait more than an hour to let the distraught child calm down.

6. Why were the negotiators so close to the window...what were they planning to do? Storm the boy?

Come on voters and people of Cherokee County, wake up and demand we get some competency in our law enforcement leaaders!
R.L. Federalist
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May 03, 2012
Great questions! Or not...

1. A fire truck doesn't do a whole lot of good when the house that's burning is occupied by an unstable kid carrying a hand cannon.

2. The curtains had been doused with alcohol. Detonation of a tear gas canister could have started a house fire.

3. Because, in the amount of time a tranquilizer would have taken effect, the kid could have fired 6 rounds pretty easily.

4. If the kid is not responding to a parent or the crisis negotiators (who receive training in psychology), what difference would a Dr. make? Besides, in an armed stand-off, a civilian is not going to be allowed anywhere near the house.

5. Sounds like the kid set the timeline, not the officers.

6. Talk to him, perhaps? See if they could difuse the situation? He wouldn't speak to them on the phone...you think a walkie-talkie may have been a better idea?

And comparing the CCSO to the Gestapo? Seriously...WTF??
Too tragic
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May 03, 2012
I feel sorry for all involved. I can't imagine the grief that the young man's family and the officer who shot him are feeling. I think there are very serious questions to be asked about the way things were handled. This isn't sheriff Garrison's first flirtation with questionable handling of a sensitive situation. I believe it's time to start looking for a new sheriff for Cherokee county.
shocked @ neighbors
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May 07, 2012
why do you think the sheriff has ANYTHING directly to do with this? sheesh some people are so so so very mis informed! amusing really. get your facts straight! If you look at this through clear glasses it was handeled in a very calm fashion.
Towner Lake Parent
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May 03, 2012
I am dumbfounded by some of the comments people have made here. 1. Yes, this is Towne Lake and not a high crime area....its not Columbine because the boy was at home and not at a school. It could have just as easily been a school situation as a private residence. 2. The boy was opn meds. We do not know what for. DO NOT assume it was for ADHD....DO NOT assume he was medicated wrongly .Only his Dr knows that.(and I am the mother of 2 ADHD children who greatly benefit from meds) 3. Do not blame the police for doing their job. Do you really think for one blessed moment the officer wanted to shot that boy???? 4. Someone commented that it only took 45 minutes and not all resources were exhausted....are you a police officer? Were you there and privy to EVERY conversation?

The situation is tragic. It doesnt matter if the person was 16 or 60. The police did their job. All you Monday morning quarterbacks need to pipe down. You dont get to pass judgement.
don't threaten
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May 03, 2012
Don;t threaten suicide, unless you wanted to be treated like a crazy lunatic. You brandish fireatms and threaten to burn a house down, and bad things happen. He'll get all the attention he was craving for now, I suppose.
WOODSTOCK GRANNY
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May 03, 2012
To all you folks you are so quick to indict the police officers, answer me this!!! Who is the person you call when there is a situation??? They are here to protect and serve!! You bleeding heart liberals and bed wetters are some of the biggest reasons this country is in the shape it's in. A lot of you who made comments cannot even use good grammar!!! Good grief!!!
Jose jesus
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May 03, 2012
Then why are they confused on weather the gun went off or he was just breaking the glass? Obviouslt they're trying to hide something
not garner martin
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May 03, 2012
let me tell yall a story. about a week before the Joe Cain Day Mardi Gras parade began in Mobile, Alabama, there was a bit of an incident at a previous parade. a man took a piece of sharp glass from a beer bottle and cut the throat of a Mobile County police officer, and took his gun. The officer's partner pursued him to the basement of a house in a nearby neighborhood. there, the officer shot and killed the suspect, who was pointing the weapon at the officer. the point of all this is that the police are hear to protect people. they are hear to protect us. they are simply doing their job. is it unfortunate that andrew was shot? of course. he was a cool dude. i remember how he used to bring his tiny guitar amp to russell's advisement, back when he went to marietta. all that i'm saying is that i fully support the cherokee county police department. they did their job, even though it ended in the death of a good kid.
Woodstock Granny
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May 03, 2012
Part of issue that isn't even being addressed is the overprescribing of anti-depressents and drugs for the so-called ADD & ADHD disorders. A lot of this starts when kids, at an early age, act out. Instead of some old-fashioned discipline, the parents buy into the drugging of their children to 'dumb' them down. It's unfortunate that parents abdicate their responsibilities to discipline their children and default to drugs and the schools to 'raise' their kids. I speak as a mother, grandmother, and mother of a former police officer. So, before, all the comments start rolling across the screen, believe me, I've had plenty of experience with kids and grandkids. Everyone, even animals, need, and demand boundaries to be set. When there are none, then you have chaos.

Austin Wile
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May 03, 2012
He takes zoloft for depression, a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, doesn't "dumb you down", and he takes methylphenidate for ADHD, which is a stimulant, which wouldn't affect anything at all. You're just ignorant..
anotherthought
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May 03, 2012
The thought of any young teenager being shot is heartbreaking. If it did not touch our sense of mortification, we would be heartless. However, our society is becoming more like a frog boiling slowly in a pot and we are not realizing the changes that are occurring as a result of our own apathy and acceptance of internal rage occurring in these teenagers and young adults and in fact, our society in general. Yes, they need help but when it reaches such a point as to endanger lives, including their own, a call has to be made. People want to indite the police for hard decisions. They don't always get it right but they have a lot more training in these areas than we as private citizens do. Those who disagree so vehemently with the choices of law enforcement on emergency situations ought to have to walk in their shoes and be in the moment when the hard call has to be made. Unless you were there, watching the teenager douse the curtains with alcohol, threaten his mother to death, point a 357 magnum at you while high on prescription drugs and negotiations are just not working, unless you saw the degree of escalation, you need not weigh in on how it was done. He may be a great kid on any other day or seemingly so, but on this day, a part of him, a very dangerous part of him was exposed and the real him came out. The unveiled anger that was given to harm others was stopped. He was given a chance to cease his actions during negotiations but didn't. Hopefully other kids will realize the seriousness of this and choose to get help and not think it is just fine to hold other people hostage as a result of their anger and hostility. I am very sorry for the loss of his life and for the officer that took the shot, I am sure it was a difficult call. I hope healing can come in time to both families.
get serious
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May 03, 2012
When you point a gun at cops they shoot you. Don't blame the cops because they did what they had to do.
Nikko9876
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May 03, 2012
asdafdj,

I leave down the street from the Messina family and was there.

We all appreciate the dangerous job law enforcement does to protect us.

But this is Town Lake and NOT a high crime area at all.

He was a 16 year old child, upset and scared, and NOT Columbine.

Hopefully all the facts will come out and appropriate assesment can be made...but any way you look at it this was very tragic and also gross incompetance!
Anonymous Friend
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May 03, 2012
What bothers me is that in the photo, we can see where he broke through the glass - there is no blood, and the ENTIRE door is shattered from that impact. How could a boy so small, because he was small, not tall, not muscular or anything, do that to the door with his hand? And nearly all abdominal shots prove fatal due to the internal bleeding and the toxicity of gastrointestinal fluids to the surrounding organs, which a sniper would know. And if Andy was standing there, against the glass with his hand (and supposedly gun) through the door, aimed at the police dressed in RIOT GEAR and ARMED aiming their much higher-powered guns at him while supposedly trying to 'calm' him down, why take an abdominal shot in the first place? Use a shoulder shot so he is thrown back, knocking himself and the weapon he supposedly brandished back? Why shoot him in a place that does not stop him, throw him back or even kill him instantly? There is no way the sniper believed his crew in danger - a 16yo boy who looks more like 12 physically is no danger to police in riot gear, even with a loaded gun. The door was completely made of glass, so there is no excuse for shooting him where they did when it made no logistical or even situational sense. The gunman, the entire sheriff's department and the mom are to blame here. I can bet I know for real why Mrs. Messina and Andy were fighting, and I think almost everyone else who loved him knows - so we all know why he was that upset, why he would want to burn down his "good home" and why he would want to kill himself. Even Mrs. Messina didn't believe he would hurt anyone but himself, because she didn't even intend to leave the house until the dispatcher told her to repeatedly. Be reporters and find out the truth here - stop sensationalizing, because trust me, there is enough to show there is a great story behind all this without making it up as you go.
Unkn
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May 03, 2012
I support law enforcement but not in this situation. This entire event took less than 45 minutes ending in the shooting of a troubled teen. The question I have is why would the officers get close enough to the teen and put themselves in harm’s way. The teen had no hostages and was threatening to burn down the house (after he got his dog out). Why didn’t the officers wait out the situation? By not securing the situation outside the house, the officers ended up in harm’s way, forcing the shooting of the troubled teen. Have to grade this standoff a failure for law enforcement.
Wifeofanofficer
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May 03, 2012
You people are so ignorant. Whether he was 16 or 60 doesn't matter. He was a troubled teen with a gun and add to that the mixture of prescription drugs and alcohol. None of us were there, but his mother was. His mother was scared to the point of calling 911 for help. How many of us have actually called in law enforcement to assist with our out of control, raged teenager. I'm guessing none of us have. The police officers and especially highly trained snipers are not thrown into the streets with high powered rifles and told to have fun. They are highly trained for situations just like this one. Police Officers are someone's husband, dad, uncle, brother, granddad, etc. just like civilians. They have a job to do and unfortunately sometimes it's not the outcome we would all like. Don't think for one second that police officer won't live with a heavy burden on his heart for the remainder of his life. For all you white collared office jocks, I doubt you ever have to make any decision in your line of work that would cause you to carry a burden the rest of your life. Being the mother of a 17 year old, I can't imagine what this mother must be going through right now. Without pointing fingers, can't we just all agree that it's a very sad and unfortunate situation that I would not wish on my worst enemy. I pray for Andrew's family as well as the Officer. My heart goes out to each of them.
Tlynno
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May 03, 2012
Asdafdj,

The disgusting thing is a 16 year old kid is lying in the morgue tonight. Last week in Gwinett County police killed a suicidal man and then arrested his father for disorderly conduct as he grieved for his son. A couple years ago, Atlanta police killed a90 year old woman after they busted down her door on a no-knock warrant. Some of them went to jail for that one. It may have been hard for the sniper to pull the trigger, but I doubt it. Swat team members train to use special weapons to kill. When they get the chance they seem to be doing it whenever possible.
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